There was an Ask Ubuntu session at UDS-N on Friday 29th October 2010.
What topics were discussed?
What decisions were made?
This post aims to provide two documents related with the session.
1 - The written short record of the session taken during the session:
Publicly available source as of 30.10.2010 01:00 UTC via collaborative text editor Gobby, with server: document
ubuntutheproject/ubuntutheproject-community-n-ask-ubuntu on server
Agenda * How to make site more accessible - screen readers will read it - possible issue with color compatibility * Localisation - number one priority for us (most users are international) - Would be nice to have a subdomain (eg nl.askubuntu.com) -- could then have a shared database of questions, but automatically tagged with language -- possibly making community wikis translatable (flag needed to indicate outdated translations) -- would make it possible for multilingual answerers to look at other pages -- currently we lack an askubuntu.com alternative for multiple languages (shapado can be used instead) - The software is running on proprietary software - we should see if open source technologies can be linked to that (e.g. gettext) * Replacing Launchpad answers (for Ubuntu project) - non-english bug reports session wants to use this for non-english bug reporters - questions can be converted to bugs and vice versa - would be nice to convert a launchpad bug to an askubuntu question - might be nice to be able to reconvert and automatically pull data back - existing launchpad bugs get converted to questions and back somewhat frequently - might be difficult to turn off answers in launchpad - redirecting to askubuntu would be different (eg with 15 day warning) - dealing with questions asked during transition period would also be a problem * Integrating ask into existing work team processes - encourage people on ask to link to official documentation (rather than just giving answer for instance) - would help boost search ranks of official documenation too * open source - we are following stackexchange here mostly - has hundreds of thousands of developers * how community can use database dumps (cc-licensed) - in case stackexchange gets eaten by godzilla - "offline wikipedia CD" * Loco team integration * Default bookmark / adding ask link on stub page - bug filed in firefox to update default links LP: 602265 Work Items * [marco] 508 compliance research (site has to be this for US Gov $$$) * [jorge] bring up replacing answers in launchpad stakeholder process with Marjo (they have 6 month backlog or so) * [jorge] talk to online services: change start.ubuntu.com (in english) help link to "Ask a question" that links to stackexchange * [chris coulson] make a default bookmark for askubuntu and drop launchpad answers
2- Log of the IRC chat parallel to the session:
2010-10-29T20:08:54 <txwikinger> o/ Jorge 2010-10-29T20:09:34 <txwikinger> ok 2010-10-29T20:09:45 <badp> speaker: sooo ahead of you :P 2010-10-29T20:11:25 <txwikinger> great 2010-10-29T20:12:30 <txwikinger> Jorge: I announced the details in the askubuntu.com general chat 2010-10-29T20:14:01 <txwikinger> txwikinger is Ralph Janke 2010-10-29T20:14:18 <txwikinger> Hello Robert 2010-10-29T20:14:39 <txwikinger> rofl 2010-10-29T20:15:15 <marenostrum> marenostrum is Deniz. Launchpad: ~kdenizogut 2010-10-29T20:15:27 * nUboon2Age is Drew Johnson, involved in wiki documentation for ubuntu beginners 2010-10-29T20:15:40 <AlanBell> hello people who want to exchange their stack 2010-10-29T20:15:54 <marcoceppi> They don't call it a StackExchange for nothing! 2010-10-29T20:15:56 <dv3500ea> dv3500ea is David. Launchpad: ~david4dev 2010-10-29T20:16:12 <AlanBell> there is a bit of a concern from the Accessibility team about askubuntu.com and accessibility 2010-10-29T20:16:21 <AlanBell> as there is lots of ajax stuff going on 2010-10-29T20:16:43 <AlanBell> we believe they have at times broken accessibility 2010-10-29T20:16:47 <txwikinger> what is our document? 2010-10-29T20:16:50 <AlanBell> http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/68898/how-accessible-are-the-stack-exchange-sites-for-users-of-screen-reader-software 2010-10-29T20:17:05 <AlanBell> http://meta.stackoverflow.com/search?q=blind+accessibility 2010-10-29T20:17:25 <badp> if you're fine with read-only access there are more accessible interfaces 2010-10-29T20:17:42 <badp> example: http://stackapps.com/questions/542/column-80-plain-text-optimised-sofu 2010-10-29T20:18:06 <AlanBell> not neccessarily a huge or unfixable problem but I would ask you to bear accessibility in mind, we want to bring all the ubuntu sites up to scratch in this regard 2010-10-29T20:18:31 <marcoceppi> AlanBell, As in 508 Compliant? 2010-10-29T20:18:41 <AlanBell> marcoceppi: well that would be nice 2010-10-29T20:18:54 <badp> AlanBell: that's not something the AskUbuntu team can do much about, you'll have to contact the StackExchange dev team at meta.stackexchange.com 2010-10-29T20:19:29 <txwikinger> Jorge: Are we using gobby or something else? 2010-10-29T20:19:36 <AlanBell> badp: I know, but if there are plans to move stuff from the wiki over to askubuntu.com then we don't want to introduce an accessibility regression 2010-10-29T20:19:38 <marcoceppi> From what I have seen, and know of 508 Compliancy - the style and engine for SE is pretty much there - though there are a few small things that would likely need to be changed. Primarily colors 2010-10-29T20:19:43 <marcoceppi> AlanBell, From what I have seen, and know of 508 Compliancy - the style and engine for SE is pretty much there - though there are a few small things that would likely need to be changed. Primarily colors 2010-10-29T20:19:50 <badp> you may be interested in WeMenu integration too 2010-10-29T20:19:52 <AlanBell> good stuff 2010-10-29T20:20:15 <txwikinger> speak up please 2010-10-29T20:20:20 <Morasique> i don't use the same nick on IRC as on SE; i feel like i'm in stealth mode 2010-10-29T20:20:22 <AlanBell> anyhow, I have to pop to the summit session, have fun with your stacks! 2010-10-29T20:20:50 <marcoceppi> Jorge: Sure 2010-10-29T20:21:10 <txwikinger> Jorge - we will have a similar law soon in Ontario 2010-10-29T20:22:58 <txwikinger> We might want to have multiple translations of the same question/asnwer? 2010-10-29T20:23:27 <badp> Honestly that sounds like a terrible idea. 2010-10-29T20:23:47 <Morasique> it's hard to keep them in sync, wikipedia has this problem 2010-10-29T20:24:48 <txwikinger> http://ubuntu.shapado.com 2010-10-29T20:26:02 <patcito> shapado.com runs on ubuntu by the way 2010-10-29T20:26:16 <badp> it's an open ghost town, yeah :) 2010-10-29T20:26:31 <txwikinger> shapado is a ruby on rails app 2010-10-29T20:26:38 <marcoceppi> It's based on the design of the "StackExchange 1.0" engine 2010-10-29T20:26:54 <patcito> badp: http://ask.debian.net is pretty active though and officially supported by debian.org 2010-10-29T20:27:00 <patcito> and it uses shapado 2010-10-29T20:27:14 <patcito> (I'm a shapado dev by the way) 2010-10-29T20:27:45 <badp> didn't know about that site :) 2010-10-29T20:28:03 <patcito> it's the official debian q&a site 2010-10-29T20:34:48 <badp> use the API and the monthly dumps 2010-10-29T20:35:55 <badp> http://stackapps.com/questions/1/api-documentation-and-help + http://blog.stackoverflow.com/category/cc-wiki-dump/ + http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/08/defending-attribution-required/ 2010-10-29T20:36:46 <txwikinger> It's only the English questions anyway until we are multi-lingual 2010-10-29T20:38:55 <badp> I don't really think i18n can work. It's a matter of audience, rather than technical challenges. 2010-10-29T20:39:17 <badp> See StackExchange 1.0 (money) vs StackExchange 2.0 (audience) 2010-10-29T20:41:40 <badp> press the power button and pop in the oranger version between kubuntu and ubuntu in the cd tray 2010-10-29T20:42:00 <badp> http://chat.askubuntu.com/transcript/message/11770#11770 2010-10-29T20:43:49 <this_is_a_test> What is oranger, Ubuntu or Kubuntu? 2010-10-29T20:44:02 <txwikinger> Jorge: This is a matter of voting 2010-10-29T20:45:05 <txwikinger> 200 to retag 2010-10-29T20:45:14 <marcoceppi> http://askubuntu.com/privileges 2010-10-29T20:45:15 <txwikinger> 150 to create new tag 2010-10-29T20:45:37 <txwikinger> you can always ask a friendly moderator to help you :D 2010-10-29T20:45:41 <badp> tag wiki page requires being one of the top 20 answerers and having enough reputation 2010-10-29T20:46:18 <badp> +editing 2010-10-29T20:46:27 <Morasique> (1500, not 1000 like they said) 2010-10-29T20:48:03 <marcoceppi> Activity is edits, answers, responses 2010-10-29T20:48:19 <marcoceppi> for Hot it's like upvotes, page views, and above activity 2010-10-29T20:49:58 <Morasique> "1500 reputation is like a couple days of using the site" :) 2010-10-29T20:50:04 <patcito> stop coughing in the microphone 2010-10-29T20:50:45 <marcoceppi> One good answer can easily land you 250 reputation 2010-10-29T20:51:04 <Morasique> marcoceppi: not in a couple days, there's a limit 2010-10-29T20:51:14 <marcoceppi> 250 is the daily limit 2010-10-29T20:51:35 <Morasique> is it not 200 like the other sites? anyway, my point was a couple days would put you at ~500 rep, even maxing it out 2010-10-29T20:51:42 <txwikinger> 200 is the daily limit (however accepted answers can go over the limit) 2010-10-29T20:52:10 <marcoceppi> Ah, 250 was the most I got - txwikinger is right it's 200 2010-10-29T20:52:52 * txwikinger cheers on the security team 2010-10-29T20:53:01 <patcito> there are ways to get more than 200 rep per day http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/8086/how-to-get-over-200-reputation-points-every-day 2010-10-29T20:53:38 <Morasique> patcito: yeah, txwikinger said it, accepted answers 2010-10-29T20:53:48 <marcoceppi> So many points to cover, so little time 2010-10-29T20:54:47 <txwikinger> but we certainly encourage stackexchange to look into using and developing open source 2010-10-29T20:56:58 <patcito> stackoverflow have been giving database dumps for a few years and nothing special came out of it btw 2010-10-29T20:57:26 <marcoceppi> Just because no one uses it doesn't mean it won't be used sometime soon :P 2010-10-29T20:57:50 <Morasique> well, odata used it, but just to provide a way to search it, not in any particularly clever way 2010-10-29T20:57:58 <marcoceppi> There are a few questions like this 2010-10-29T20:57:59 <marcoceppi> http://askubuntu.com/questions/2872/what-are-the-biggest-barriers-to-walking-the-motu-developer-path 2010-10-29T21:00:35 <this_is_a_test> why did my stream randomly pause? 2010-10-29T21:00:51 <days_of_ruin> That happened to me too. 2010-10-29T21:01:23 <marcoceppi> mad rep for that 2010-10-29T21:01:56 <marcoceppi> Other people are upvoting 2010-10-29T21:02:01 <htorque> yeah :P 2010-10-29T21:02:33 <days_of_ruin> holy cow, it gets more upvotes every time I refresh 2010-10-29T21:02:49 <marcoceppi> mass effect 2010-10-29T21:06:31 <txwikinger> Jorge: In Quebec you will be sued 2010-10-29T21:07:39 <marenostrum> Is written report of the session available on Gooby? Name? 2010-10-29T21:08:02 <this_is_a_test> Hello 2010-10-29T21:08:08 <txwikinger> Thanks Jorge.. thanks Robert for coming 2010-10-29T21:08:23 <marenostrum> Thanks a lot dear friends. 2010-10-29T21:08:48 <dv3500ea> Thanks. 2010-10-29T21:09:16 <hhlp> thx
Later edit :
3- How to integrate with Ask Ubuntu subtitle on Ubuntu Wiki:
- StackExchange will look into ways to localise AskUbuntu, so sites like 'nl.askubuntu.com' may become reality;
- Chris Coulson will look into replacing Launchpad Answers with AskUbuntu in the default Firefox bookmarks;
- Marco will investigate 508 compliance for AskUbuntu;
- JorgeCastro will discuss with Marjo ask for replacing Launchpad Answers with a redirection to AskUbuntu for Ubuntu, in the Launchpad stakeholders meetings;
- JorgeCastro will look into changing the 'Ubuntu Help' link on the default Ubuntu start page to link to AskUbuntu.