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I always place the ending "Thank you and God Bless" at the end of any of my posts, questions or maybe just "God Bless" if its an answer / last comment.

One of my legitimate questions has been flagged and locked for over a month now for "off topic content". >> Using FTP to connect to Linux machines using Nautilus's location entry

Before this a number of users (I won't name them here unless a moderator asks me to) continually edited out the "Thank you and God Bless" of that particular question. Stating it was non essential content. EDIT** Also the question was downvoted for seemingly no other reason but having this issue as I persisted in editing this content back in since it was my post.

Perhaps the Thank you part could be construed as non-essential, but I always try to be thankful for anything anyone does to help me, but the "God Bless" is non-negotiable for me. It is who I am and always place it at the end of any communication I can. Sometimes perhaps I might forget due to stress or in a rush, but If I realize it I try to go back and add it if I can.

This is clearly covered in the First Amendment right of freedom of speech and beliefs. Can someone help me please unlock the mentioned question? I still have not gotten a helpful answer nor resolved it on my own.

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    meta.askubuntu.com/a/7320/47291 – Mateo May 7 '15 at 20:14
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    Also make a note: yours was closed as 'unclear what you're asking', not because it was offtopic (actually read the close reason) – Thomas Ward May 7 '15 at 20:30
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    xkcd.com/1357 – Doorknob May 7 '15 at 20:54
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    @Doorknob - You should post that image here as an answer =) – Panther May 8 '15 at 13:06
  • curious why people get so up in arms over 2 words, since I'm sure no one really has a problem with the "Thank you" part. – Daniel Clem Jun 2 '15 at 18:03
  • How about we just focus on answering questions instead of silencing someone just because you don't agree with them? Its not derogatory or insulting towards anyone, and no one forces you to read it. Just like no one forces me to look at that condescending and insulting picture "Doorknob" shared. But thats not "noise" while "God Bless" is noise..... – Daniel Clem Jun 2 '15 at 18:21
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Welcome and thank you for you continued contributions. What you're describing is considered a "Signature" on a post and they are highly discouraged in Stack Exchange platform. You're more than welcome to edit your profile page to include "Thank you and as always, God Bless" which everyone will see when they roll over your name or visit your profile. This isn't an attempt to stifle anyone's free speech but simply a rule set forth on this site.

Furthermore, engaging in "edit wars" where you constantly put back something edited out is also discouraged and against site rules. Content on Ask Ubuntu is community managed, like a wiki, which is another reason we don't allow signatures in a post. They are simply noise when we want to promote signal.

Questions are downvoted on a regular basis, there's typically a best practice where we recommend those who do downvote to comment on a reason why. Having questions downvoted for seemingly no reason is a common "issue" on this site. We always recommend re-reading your question and trying to improve with logs, screenshots, or possibly rewording them.

As for your comments about this be a restriction of your American First Amendment Rights, websites are considered private property (at least websites not run by the Government) and as such rules set forth that may stifle or restrict speech is allowed. Violation of this right would be you creating a website and having it shut down, by the American Government (as an American citizen) because of the speech on that. Even that's a bit of a grey area. IANAL but to be honest this has nothing to with "First amendment rights".

We appreciate you adhering to these rules going forward. If you find this unsatisfactory feel free to use the "contact us" link at the bottom to bring this up with the Stack Exchange admins.


it is a 5 word phrase in appreciation for any help others can provide, that is not noise. I guarantee if I was only putting "Thank you" this would not be any issue. Therefore this is classified stifling of beliefs. Pushing these beliefs to an "out-of-sight out-of-mind" area. So yes this is discrimination.

also Marco, The question I was specifically referring to was worded well and was conversing with a couple individuals on answers, and if I thought they would be helpful, I would include screen shots of me trying those answers and if they worked or didn't work. But the continual editing out of those 2 words "God Bless" kept getting in the way, and shortly after was flagged as "Off-Topic" or "Unclear" when it was obvious what the real reason for flagging it was, as the one who flagged it, was the same one who was constantly editing out those 2 words for HIS own reasons and beliefs.

Daniel, I appreciate your concern and I understand no one wants to be oppressed and feeling as such can set you on the defensive. While I can't assure you of the motives of every user on this site I would like to take a moment that every user on this site is bound by the Ubuntu Code of Conduct which prohibits such discrimination. I've reviewed the post you hold as evidence of this and do not see that to be the case. Instead, what I see if evidence of one user "cleaning up" a post, in this case yours, which they removed several superfluous sentences, fixed grammar, adjusted spelling and formatting, and removed the byline which seemed to spark this.

Why are there some post with the words "Thank you"? This can probably be attributed to an additional policy we have is to avoid minor edits. Ones which just modify a single word as that again creates noise and unnecessarily bumps a question. I personally have edited plenty of posts which included sentiments of appreciation without any religious subtexts and removed them while improving the rest of the post.

I want to reiterate that the actions you took after this was removed from the post, including your edit moments before commenting, are against the sites policies. Normally this includes being contacted privately and possibly a suspension. Reverting edits and engaging in edit wars are things we take seriously on this site. While it takes two or more to engage in edit war, and those users have been contacted about this conduct, I want to let everyone know that in future if you have an issue with a post, editing and reverting are not the ways to resolve it - meta site is.

Finally, as to your allegations that the post was closed after engaging in the edit war, I can't say what the motivation of that was, you've added a lot more details and I'm about to re-open the post. However, you again seem to be missing the point so I will place this in bold and do let me know if I'm not communicating this clearly.

1st amendment rights to not apply to you on private sites, which this is one of them. If you can not handle this you may wish to participate elsewhere in the community. Continued edit wars and failure to follow the "no signature" rule will result in further action from the moderation team.

If you feel you are being oppressed or disagree with this action you may take it up with the Stack Exchange community team or even the Ubuntu Community Council. However, I'm fairly confident this decision will stand. If you wish to add declarations about your appreciation for people's assistance either do so in comments on that answer or in your profile.

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    I echo Marco's sentiments exactly - this isn't about stifling free speech at all. We simply don't permit any form of signature at the end of posts (or at the beginning either for that matter). We really appreciate your gratitude but your profile would be a better place to express this. – Nathan Osman May 7 '15 at 20:00
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    Marco: I was going to add an answer about the 1st amendment when I saw your edit coming in... ;-) – Fabby May 7 '15 at 20:05
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    An excellent answer that covers the needed information to enjoy the site and the community norms we use. – Luis Alvarado May 8 '15 at 0:21
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    This is a great answer, because it conveys what everyone is thinking in the most respectful, missundersting-free way it could have. Nonetheless, it covers every aspect of the topic. +1000 – kos May 8 '15 at 4:20
  • it is a 5 word phrase in appreciation for any help others can provide, that is not noise. I guarantee if I was only putting "Thank you" this would not be any issue. Therefore this is classified stifling of beliefs. Pushing these beliefs to an "out-of-sight out-of-mind" area. So yes this is discrimination. – Daniel Clem Jun 2 '15 at 18:00
  • also Marco, The question I was specifically referring to was worded well and was conversing with a couple individuals on answers, and if I thought they would be helpful, I would include screen shots of me trying those answers and if they worked or didn't work. But the continual editing out of those 2 words "God Bless" kept getting in the way, and shortly after was flagged as "Off-Topic" or "Unclear" when it was obvious what the real reason for flagging it was, as the one who flagged it, was the same one who was constantly editing out those 2 words for HIS own reasons and beliefs. – Daniel Clem Jun 2 '15 at 18:16
  • @DanielClem Please seem my update to the answer which addresses these concerns. – Marco Ceppi Jun 2 '15 at 19:43
  • @DanielClem What you account as "discrimination" should be carried out equally against all users, regardless of their content or the belief that spawned them. You aren't being discriminated against, you're just doing something we don't permit. Use your profile page for stuff that isn't directly relevant to the post. – Oli Jun 2 '15 at 21:20
  • @Marco Ceppi, Thank you very much for reopening my question. I did add more info to try and make it more descriptive. But please do not remove "God Bless". It is 2 words that the majority of people don't have a problem with. The question is asked by a person, not a Robot or from a text book. This is not a "Forum" but that does not mean that all personality should be stripped from the posts. Please re-add it Marco? – Daniel Clem Jun 3 '15 at 6:12
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    @DanielClem No. You're still not getting the point. No one is permitted to add any signatures to their post. This includes you. As a result, regardless of the text, this site has an issue with what you're adding. Personality is reserved for your profile page, please fill that out as you see fit. – Marco Ceppi Jun 3 '15 at 16:16
  • And is one more reason why I don't like coming here anymore. Its treated like every post and comment is going into a text book, and the authors and contributors have no true value as people outside of the facts they contribute. No one generally goes to anyone's profile unless the moderators go to look into the activity of a particular user. Especially not when all "Personality" has been stripped from general post and comments. – Daniel Clem Jun 4 '15 at 6:51
  • Therefore it is no longer a "community". And has fallen far from the ideals of what Ubuntu was suppose to be striving for. – Daniel Clem Jun 4 '15 at 6:57
  • How may I go about appealing this to a higher admin? Policy or not, I can not let this go just like that. – Daniel Clem Jun 4 '15 at 7:02
  • I've included information on appeals in my original post. – Marco Ceppi Jun 4 '15 at 10:06

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