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| Jun 20, 2023 at 12:57 | comment | added | terdon on strike | Note that the specifics of the AI policy are the tip of the iceberg re the strike. For me, at least, the main issue is that SE blatantly broke its own rules and the solemn, written promises it had made to us. That is a real problem and means that trust is possibly irrevocably broken. Combined with the temporary(?) block of the data dumps, and ex-staff open admissions that at least in '19, the company wanted to close down the network, we have good reason to fear there is no solution. | |
| Jun 11, 2023 at 10:02 | comment | added | FedKad | IMHO AI content can be used, however it should be verified that it works by the person who shares it and at least some indication is given that it is a fully or partially AI-generated response. Please, note that most (>50%) AI-generated content is wrong! | |
| Jun 11, 2023 at 5:33 | comment | added | C.S.Cameron | Wikipedia: "Plagiarism is the fraudulent representation of another person's language, thoughts, ideas, or expressions as one's own original work". AI is not another person any more than a computer is. If AI material can not be copywritten it is public domain. Works in the public domain may be freely copied and used. Putting quotation marks around an AI work indicates that it is a quotation and not the writer's original work. | |
| Jun 11, 2023 at 5:32 | comment | added | andrew.46 Mod | @Oli Thanks for the measured voice of calm and reason... | |
| Jun 11, 2023 at 2:25 | comment | added | Zanna Mod | I for one have no interest in spending my time "reviewing AI answers"! | |
| Jun 10, 2023 at 21:35 | comment | added | Levente | So directing people to review (only/mostly) AI content may or may not meet enthusiasm and willingness. | |
| Jun 10, 2023 at 21:33 | comment | added | Levente | "the point where we're just reviewers for AI answers" — To this, I wish to share a recent experience I made. As a form of education, I got a chance of "playing around" with metal-processing machinery in a metal workshop for 3 months. I got to operate a traditional lathe, a semi-automated milling machine, and a computer-controlled CNC lathe. I found to enjoy the work most on the semi-automatic and manual machines, where my contributions were still needed. I ended up despising the CNC, as it was doing the work on its own, I only had to serve it. Soon I found it utterly boring and daunting. | |
| Jun 10, 2023 at 18:00 | comment | added | Oli Mod | @Zanna Thanks. I think that's it. Our individual knowledge is vastly unoriginal. Every creation of ours is a derivation of our experience. It is inevitable that these models become —if they're not already— at least as complex as the way we mesh knowledge together. This is rather a broader topic than just Q&A sites but I think humanity is going to have to get used to pooling its knowledge. | |
| Jun 10, 2023 at 15:06 | comment | added | Zanna Mod | The issue of plagiarism w/r/t/ AI answers occurs at two levels. Firstly, users posting AI-generated content have generally been attempting to pass it off as their own work. Secondly, the material generated is derived from the AI's training material, which is unattributed. This second point is interesting, because humans also learn things and forget where they learned it from - it's our own knowledge, at some point. But many people currently view the output of, say, ChatGPT as a form of plagiarism. | |
| Jun 10, 2023 at 14:57 | comment | added | Oli Mod | @RandomPerson What is the issue of plagiarism? I'm not trying to be flippant but you're talking about problems and solutions in terms of people writing answers, getting credit, etc. People getting answers is the aim here. I reserve the right to change my mind if I see things getting worse, but AI has a lot of opportunity to make many aspects better. It's coming, one way or another, here or on another version of this site. | |
| Jun 10, 2023 at 14:55 | comment | added | Levente | "a lot of people are jumping to the worst assumptions" I can admit to this tendency myself. On the other hand, a burglar alarm, however inconvenient and loud, serves a justified function, doesn't it? I advocate threat awareness in order to give us better chances at positive outcomes. Also thanks to your contribution, I recognize that alternative findings and outcomes may also come into play. | |
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| Jun 10, 2023 at 14:39 | comment | added | Random Person | "where we're just review." You mean reviewers or review? And, your answer doesn't address the plagiarism issue of AI answers. | |
| Jun 10, 2023 at 14:37 | history | edited | OliMod | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jun 10, 2023 at 14:32 | comment | added | Oli Mod | @RandomPerson I mean that if an AI can help users with their Ubuntu problems, or help us with moderation tasks with the same or better success rate as real people, what are we worrying about? Per my second paragraph, a lot of people are jumping to the worst assumptions. | |
| Jun 10, 2023 at 12:53 | comment | added | Random Person | @Oli What do you mean by "Lessening the demand on volunteers isn't automatically a bad thing."? | |
| Jun 10, 2023 at 12:06 | history | edited | OliMod | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jun 10, 2023 at 11:10 | comment | added | Levente | Based on your feedback, I did some meaningful edits. | |
| Jun 10, 2023 at 10:57 | comment | added | Levente | "Why can't we wait a minute and see?" — sure, no wonder we will do that, also supported by the circumstance that noone has the time budget for such a feat to mobilise at ease. So, yes, we are going to be just observing for a while. But, at the same time I remind that posts appearing from Juni 2023 will need extra scrutiny — perhaps carried out even retroactively — if we wish to uphold the standards we held ourselves to until now. | |
| Jun 10, 2023 at 10:52 | comment | added | Levente | I'm in a mindset of being prepared. I did not say, migrate now. I said start assessing the challenges, come up with strategies, because if / when it becomes crystal clear that it's necessary, it will be too late to start only then. I did write: "when it proves necessary, you can tackle it well-prepared". | |
| Jun 10, 2023 at 10:50 | comment | added | Oli Mod | 1) Real people get things wrong; that's why we have votes and why anyone can edit things. 2) What happens? What if? Why can't we wait a minute and see? You are worrying about things that have not happened. | |
| Jun 10, 2023 at 10:42 | comment | added | Levente | I am not phased by "AI" per se. I couldn't care less about the specifics of that technology. I am concerned only by two things: 1.) the spread of hard-to-detect misinformation, that I expect might decay people's trust and momentum to invest their time into Ubuntu 2.) a busines model that is neglecting aspects of participation of human volunteers. What happens when SE suddenly deprioritizes budget to, say, the development and maintenance of the "Post an answer" webform? (As they might develop an AI integration that posts automatically, excluding the possiblity for human contribution?) | |
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| Jun 10, 2023 at 10:33 | history | answered | OliMod | CC BY-SA 4.0 |