Timeline for Implementing three-vote-close on Ask Ubuntu? [duplicate]
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| Jan 25, 2022 at 11:07 | comment | added | Zanna Mod | @ArturMeinild I wish I had more time to look into whether posts are getting closed when they should (and I wish that the Downboat was more active in discussion of close and reopen votes). I do know that that correct close votes are aging away. I also feel that too many questions are wrongly closed. We have both problems! Maybe it's time to try reducing the vote threshold to see what happens. I feel we'd need some mechanism to scrutinise and reopen wrongly closed posts, and some work on educating folks. | |
| Jan 24, 2022 at 15:05 | comment | added | terdon | @ArturMeinild precisely, yes. That's one of the main subjects that worries me: it is part of this site's core competence and scope and yet there are many of our users who seem to think it is off topic. See Are bash/shell scripting questions on topic? | |
| Jan 24, 2022 at 14:49 | comment | added | Artur Meinild | I think sometimes, the line between when a question is about "scripting" or when it diverges to "general programming" (and thus better suited for SE), can be a little blurry. And in these cases I think it's good with 5 reviews rather than 3. | |
| Jan 24, 2022 at 14:47 | comment | added | terdon | For what it's worth, @ArturMeinild, back when I was a mod here, over-zealous closing was far more of an issue than lack of closure. | |
| Jan 24, 2022 at 14:44 | comment | added | Artur Meinild | PS: There is a nice meta-irony over that you should close this question as a duplicate .. 😁🤔 | |
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Duplicate of Shouldn’t we lower the close/reopen vote threshold? | |
| Jan 24, 2022 at 14:39 | comment | added | Artur Meinild | Also, what do they mods actually think themselves - are too many questions in need of manual closure? Right now, the problem is theoretical until we hear a consensual voice from the actual mods that this is a real problem. | |
| Jan 24, 2022 at 14:37 | history | edited | NotTheDr01ds | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jan 24, 2022 at 14:37 | comment | added | Artur Meinild | Questions truly off-topic are often closed very quickly: Example (this was closed within 5 minutes of being asked). | |
| Jan 24, 2022 at 14:27 | comment | added | NotTheDr01ds | @terdon And yes, the two problems have to be weighed against each other -- Reviews that aren't completing at all vs. those that are competing with the wrong result. | |
| Jan 24, 2022 at 14:23 | comment | added | NotTheDr01ds | @terdon I think you misunderstood. I completely understand and agree that some on-topic posts are overzealously closed. My qualifier was in regards to "truly off-topic", not wrongfully closed. Often, it seems, there are posts that should be closed by the community that are failing to muster enough votes. | |
| Jan 24, 2022 at 14:03 | comment | added | terdon | Yes, absolutely there are many cases of perfectly on topic posts being closed. For example, there is a large collection of users who seem to think that scripting questions are off topic. I honestly don't know if the bigger problem is posts that are off topic ar enot being closed or if the bigger issue is posts that are on topic being closed. Obviously, the latter is a worse problem (better to leave off topic posts open than to incorrectly close on topic ones) but I don't have numbers for each. Just my personal experience which suggests that our problem is too many closures, not too few. | |
| Jan 24, 2022 at 13:19 | comment | added | NotTheDr01ds | @terdon I know in the case of one that I flagged recently, even though the OP agreed in the comments that it was off-topic, it failed to muster 5 CVs and ended up needing a Mod action to close. | |
| Jan 24, 2022 at 13:14 | comment | added | NotTheDr01ds | @ArturMeinild A close vote cast outside the review queue, in my understanding, is pretty much the same as one case within. If the question isn't currently in the queue, the close vote would move the question to the CVR queue. After 4 or 14 days (depending on view count) all close votes begin to expire, regardless of where they were cast. | |
| Jan 24, 2022 at 13:12 | comment | added | NotTheDr01ds | @terdon But are those truly off-topic posts being closed by the Community or by Mods? I honestly don't know since I'm still a few points shy of being able to cast (and see) close votes here. As for over-eagerness to close, that's one of the data points that the "time limited" period will study -- Does it increase or decrease the number of Mod actions needed? Mods can always override a community close (or force a close) -- Do they need to do that more or less after three-vote-close? For other sites, it's typically (but not always) been less. | |
| Jan 24, 2022 at 12:37 | comment | added | Artur Meinild | Agree with @terdon. There are those questions, which are clearly off-topic or dupes - I believe those are mostly closed within reasonable time. Also, how does the data take into account close votes cast outside the review queue? | |
| Jan 24, 2022 at 9:26 | comment | added | terdon | My worry is that (I feel) we already are too eager to close posts here. Sometimes it seems people go out of their way to find a reason why something is off topic. I worry that this would make things worse in that respect. | |
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